Debian network-manager maintainer rejects patch to restore SysV init support

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Model: 1.25.91-1
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Dear Michael,

I discover about that this day's add of community-manager has had the init script eradicated.

I bear in mind the truth that you just enact now now not say it your self and enact now now not need to bear it around,
nevertheless other users enact.

Gripping elimination of working scripts is unecessary. If there are problems with it,
I am joyful to abet catch to the backside of them.

Thanks.

Designate



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Dear Designate, dear Michael.

Michael, I fully second Designate's question to revive the init script.

It works. Why enact I do know? Motive on this machine I flee a Plasma desktop 
with Community Supervisor with runit as initialization procedure. Community 
Supervisor works here *dazzling colorful*. Plasma dazzling works colorful, the say of elogind.

Putting off the init script in overall breaks Community Supervisor on this final 
Debian procedure I calm say, furthermore for declaring the two applications I 
shield for Debian.

I deem *no need in anywayto actively smash working techniques this vogue. 
(And force Devuan to fork one other kit.)

/me now copies the init script to a actual attach in clarify as a method to 
restore it in case it gets eradicated on strengthen.

Most efficient,
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Martin Steigerwald - 02.07.20, 18: 47: 52 CEST:
> Michael, I fully second Designate's question to revive the init script.
[…]
> /me now copies the init script to a actual attach in clarify to be in a position
> to revive it in case it gets eradicated on strengthen.

I'm in a position to substantiate that the init script *used to bealready eradicated on my procedure and 
that Community Supervisor then used to be now now not began after reboot.

Prior to I rebooted I downloaded the earlier version from 
snapshot.debian.org which for some motive regarded most tremendous to had been 
on hand as an IA64 kit, which for advantageous does now not matter for the 
init script.

I restored the init script from the earlier kit version to its 
common attach. In my stare this deserves a worthy higher severity 
for this worm file, nevertheless I'll now now not delivery a "I override the worm 
severity" you attach recreation here.

I enact now now not judge the the GR from final three hundred and sixty five days justifies such an behavior.

Most efficient,
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Martin





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Here's sad. It breaks my OS too and i develop now now not judge it is
a wishlist.

J.



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same here,
i develop now now not judge here is "wishlist". "grave" severity is extra dazzling.
please retain in mind @ll debian users, when making such changes.

regards,
d.

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Dear Michael!

Over again I request you to re-evaluate and repair the init script support in. If that 
could well per chance be too worthy work for you, I am obvious somebody could well per chance be tantalizing to 
present a patch.

I need to remind you about the winning series of final years GR¹. It is 
particularly labeled as:

Option 2 "B: Systemd nevertheless we strengthen exploring most likely picks"

Please clarify the "nevertheless we strengthen exploring most likely picks".

Moreover gape on the following excerpt of the preference:

"""
The Debian project acknowledges that systemd carrier devices are the
most well-favored configuration for describing how to delivery a daemon/carrier.
Nonetheless, Debian stays an atmosphere the attach developers and users can
explore and perform alternate init techniques and most likely picks to systemd
facets. Those fascinated about exploring such most likely picks need to
present the vital pattern and packaging resources to enact that
work. Applied sciences similar to elogind that facilitate exploring
most likely picks whereas working procedure that depends on some systemd
interfaces remain essential to Debian. It could well most likely well per chance be necessary that the project
strengthen the efforts of developers engaged on such technologies the attach
there is overlap between these technologies and the leisure of the project,
as an instance by reviewing patches and participating in discussions in a
effectively timed system.
"""

No longer most tremendous in my level of stare the GR final year¹ does now not suggest that 
"systemd has gained!". Particularly the GR does now not endorse "descend all init 
scripts".

Moreover you provided no motive in anyway for the elimination of the 
init script within the changelog:

"""
community-manager (1.25.91-1) unstable; urgency=medium

  Unique upstream version 1.25.91 (1.26 rc2)
  Make a choice SysV init script

 -- Michael Biebl <[…]>  Thu, 02 Jul 2020 01: 17: 08 +0200
"""

And likewise you did now not acknowledge to this worm file since nearly a month besides 
for environment its severity to "wishlist".

Putting off the init script breaks unusual techniques the say of one thing else 
than systemd along with Community Supervisor. Here's a say case that 
worked for a lengthy, very lengthy time. It calm does work once the init script is 
copied support after elimination. There could be rarely any warning in debconf, no 
rationalization in README.Debian or NEWS.Debian. All unusual Debian Buster 
users with one thing else than systemd as PID 1 and with Community Supervisor 
could well per chance be left on the hours of darkness about why the strengthen broke their networking 
setup.

On the opposite hand I enact now now not deem any bear the benefit of getting rid of the init script. 
All it prompted to this level is additional friction.

Whilst you occur to will bear doubts about declaring and worm fixing the init script, in 
case there are bugs, I am obvious somebody could well per chance be tantalizing to enact that. 
Fresh strengthen for sysvinit, runit, elogind and other most likely picks to 
Systemd and (some of) or now now not it is facets is heavenly appropriate in Debian, to a enormous 
extent thanks to the incredible cooperation with the Devuan project.

So please re-evaluate.

[1] https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002

Thanks,
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Hi,

These two linked init compatibility components haven't viewed any say 
just just nowadays, so I've uploaded an NMU (delayed/14) to repair them according to 
the patches already posted; within the case of the init script I simply 
reverted your commit getting rid of it.

I place my commits here, and I'll furthermore be sending you an MR on salsa.

HTH,

Matthew
[0001-Revert-Remove-SysV-init-script-closes-964139.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]
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[0003-Changelog-for-1.26.2-1.1.patch (text/x-patch, attachment)]

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Am 15.09.20 um 19: 44 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
> Hi,
> 
> These two linked init compatibility components haven't viewed any say
> just just nowadays, so I've uploaded an NMU (delayed/14) to repair them according to
> the patches already posted; within the case of the init script I simply
> reverted your commit getting rid of it.
> 

I develop now now not believe this NMU. Please murder it.

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Hi,
On 15/09/2020 19: 26, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 15.09.20 um 19: 44 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
>> Hi,
>>
>> These two linked init compatibility components haven't viewed any say
>> just just nowadays, so I've uploaded an NMU (delayed/14) to repair them according to
>> the patches already posted; within the case of the init script I simply
>> reverted your commit getting rid of it.
>>
> 
> I develop now now not believe this NMU. Please murder it.

May per chance well per chance per chance you please unusual what the danger with it is?

Regards,

Matthew




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Am 15.09.20 um 20: 45 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
> Hi,
> On 15/09/2020 19: 26, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Am 15.09.20 um 19: 44 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> These two linked init compatibility components haven't viewed any say
>>> just just nowadays, so I've uploaded an NMU (delayed/14) to repair them according to
>>> the patches already posted; within the case of the init script I simply
>>> reverted your commit getting rid of it.
>>>
>>
>> I develop now now not believe this NMU. Please murder it.
> 
> May per chance well per chance per chance you please unusual what the danger with it is?

This kit is now now not unmaintained. So an NMU is now now not warranted. Particularly
since these changes had been made deliberately.

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Dear Michael,

On 15/09/2020 19: 53, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 15.09.20 um 20: 45 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
>> Hi,
>> On 15/09/2020 19: 26, Michael Biebl wrote:
>>> Am 15.09.20 um 19: 44 schrieb Matthew Vernon:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> These two linked init compatibility components haven't viewed any say
>>>> just just nowadays, so I've uploaded an NMU (delayed/14) to repair them according to
>>>> the patches already posted; within the case of the init script I simply
>>>> reverted your commit getting rid of it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I develop now now not believe this NMU. Please murder it.
>>
>> May per chance well per chance per chance you please unusual what the danger with it is?
> 
> This kit is now now not unmaintained. So an NMU is now now not warranted. Particularly
> since these changes had been made deliberately.

To clarify: your objection is that you just enact now now not need bugs 964139 and 
921012 (restoring the sysv init script and the say of the logind digital 
kit dependency) fixing at all?

Regards,

Matthew



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The elimination of the SysV init script used to be now now not a mistake that wants to be
corrected.

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Michael Biebl - 15.09.20, 21: 37: 18 CEST:
> The elimination of the SysV init script used to be now now not a mistake that wants to be
> corrected.

Why did you purchase away it?

The changelog does now not mention a motive as I pointed out already.

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Dear Michael,

On 15/09/2020 20: 37, Michael Biebl wrote:
> The elimination of the SysV init script used to be now now not a mistake that wants to be
> corrected.

You're eager on that every the restoration of the init script and say of 
the logind digital kit are each very necessary for community-manager to be 
installable on non-systemd techniques?

AFAIAA there is rarely if truth be told every other approach to enabling that; nor are there any 
problems that this enabling work will bear for systemd techniques.

Am I wrong in both regard?

Regards,

Matthew




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